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THE BEADY EYE ASK’S: SHOULD WE BE BOTHERED WITH TIME ?

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“No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man.’

Heraclitus.

At first glance, this quote may seem perplexing, but it carries profound meaning and significance. Essentially, Heraclitus is asserting that both the river and the person are in a perpetual state of change, making it impossible for any encounter to be exactly repeated.

This idea challenges our perception of constancy and emphasizes the dynamic nature of life. The straightforward interpretation of this quote suggests that every moment is unique and cannot be replicated.

It serves as a reminder to appreciate the present moment, as it will never be replicated exactly the same way again. It teaches us to embrace change, appreciate the uniqueness of each moment, and acknowledge the continuous evolution of ourselves and the world.

So does time exist or not.

It’s is imperative in our understanding of the universe and our place in it, is weird. It is an illusion. The experience of time is actively created by our minds. The way we experience time in our minds is never going to match up with the latest discoveries in physics.

Nothing exists in any permanent or fixed sense. Life is a dance between our lived experience of which time is a fulcrum and the reality of existence that we are essentially empty of anything solid or permanent.

Since time immemorial (with no start or finish)  There is no time like now.

Your time is up.

Just what that means no one knows.

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Writing this post would in itself be a waste of my time if the cosmos was that simple.

I believe we have only just scratched the surface of the universal laws of physics; the universe is anything but simple, or is it so simple that our brains cannot grape hole of it’s existence.

There may in fact be something to this crazy notion that the nature of the universe could be turned on its head should the fundamental quantity of time be transformed into another dimension of space.

If you travelled at near light speed for ten earth years and returned to earth very soon for you ,you would need older people and relate to them in a present. Would it follow that time does not exist?

Consider the following scenario:

  • I get in a spaceship, and travel really close to the speed of light for a while, and then come back.
  • A lot of time has passed on the Earth, but since I was traveling so fast, I only experienced a few years passing.
  • So, my friends on Earth are dead, whereas I’m only a few years older.

But what I’m having trouble wrapping my head around, is why is it them that’s dead, and not me?

After all, given what I understand about relativity, it’s just as fair to say that my spaceship stayed still, and it was actually the Earth that travelled really fast and then came back to my ship.

In that scenario though, the Earth being the fast-moving ship, and my ship being the stationary body, wouldn’t it be that I am dead, and everyone on the Earth is just a few years older?

But the earth and the space travellers aren’t symmetric — an easy way to see this is that one of them spent a lot of energy (the rocket fuel, say) to make this situation happen, and one of them didn’t.

To add on to this, lets say the man on Earth got on his own second spaceship and eventually caught up close to the first spaceship and is approaching the same speed as the first spaceship. Relative to the second spaceship, would the increased energy of the first spaceship gradually lower down to it’s energy at rest up until they become the exact speed?

If you trawled through Space time where would you end up?  In a web of invisibility,  an eternity of  mush.

How can this be ?.

The simple answer is that because you are the traveller and therefore have to slow down, stop, accelerate in the opposite direction and come back again.

So this would mean that energy increases as speed increases.

Since time immemorial has no start or speed, it does not exist, either as space time or any other time you wish to define.


Because it appears that the theory of relativity and Quantum can not live together. The two theories are fundamentally incompatible with each other.

This has resulted in two leading “quantized” theories of general relativity— string theory and loop quantum gravity—and now a new theory called the “postquantum theory of classical gravity, that attempt to bridge the gap between these two worlds.

This theory challenges the idea that Einstein’s general theory of relativity needs to be “quantized” at all, and posits that the discrepancy between quantum mechanics and general relatively can instead be explained by unpredictable “wobbles” in spacetime.

Jonathan Oppenheim posits that spacetime isn’t quantum at all, but classical. The only differences, he claims, is that that spacetime “wobbles” randomly, rather than being uniform.“

So it’s important to understand how this contradiction is resolved.

  • The exact nature of the conflict is controversial, scientists generally agree these theories need to be replaced with a new, more general theory.

Although quantum mechanics and general relatively help explain the universe—at both small and cosmic scales. If spacetime doesn’t have a quantum nature, then there must be random fluctuations in the curvature of spacetime which have a particular signature that can be verified experimentally.

So we know we need a new physical theory to explain the universe, and that this theory might not feature time. Suppose such a theory turns out to be correct.

FOR ME THERE IS NO SUCH THING A SPACE TIME THAT CURVES SPACE TIME, IT DOES NOT EXIST WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF GRAVITY – GRAVATIOLAL PULL IS A FORCE.  

The different gravitational pulls would force a quantum interaction that behaved as classical relativism would—the particle in less gravity would move with less constraint than the one in stronger gravity.

A person walking beneath a large clock swinging from a rope.

Does time exist?  No its man made.

Our entire lives are built around time.

Managing in a world without time seems positively disastrous.

We plan for the future, in light of what we know about the past.

We hold people morally accountable for their past actions, with an eye to reprimanding them later on.

We believe ourselves to be agents (entities that can take action) in part because we can plan to act in a way that will bring about changes in the future. But what’s the point of acting to bring about a change in the future when, in a very real sense, there is no future to act for? What’s the point of punishing someone for a past action, when there is no past and so, apparently, no such action?

We have no idea how time might be “made out of” something more fundamental than motion – distance

or duration for example ( which all need time unlike existence)

Our naïve perception of its flow doesn’t correspond to physical reality. Physics without time’.

The malleability of space and time mean that two events occurring far apart might even happen in one order when viewed by one observer, and in the opposite order when viewed by another.

Time does not exist at any level in nature there is only “now.”

Existence is at anytime, here to day, gone to morrow.

Time and space themselves really only manifest out of their interactions and the web of causality between them. We cannot know the positions and speeds of all the particles in the Universe. If we could, there would be no entropy, and no unravelling of time.

The discovery that time does not exist would bring, not the entire world to a grinding halt but entire universe.

Like all prisoners doing time the whole world would suck.

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Knowledge will always be limited by the limit of the knowledge at any particular time no matter how they may take that knowledge and project theories about our world, the universe and existence itself.

Because all knowledge would exist in that moment is time therefore gravity.

If time does exist then it is in that place in-between those moments of change – causation gravity.

After all time is change and change happens with each moment of time.

Don’t worry: even if time doesn’t exist, our lives will go on as usual.

If we are questioning the reality of time than are we also not questioning the reality of astrophysics and with it the age of the universe along with the age of our solar systems and planet and all that goes with that right up to evolution and with it no doubt homo-sapiens and our existence on this planet and in this universe.

If you were to zoom in to space-time, you would see that time doesn’t advance into the future continuously but in quick little tick-tick-ticks of a discrete clock.

If we accept the premise that “time” is simply a metric we use to measure changes in mass and energy relative to space, it’s hardly a revelation. Stuff keeps moving around and thermodynamics keeps working as it ought.

Whether neurophysiology has a quantum level function from which consciousness emerges,

Time to make a cup of tea.

I feel there’s a slippery slope going on here.

If it’s possible to determine the age of the universe to 13.8 billion years there’s obviously a ‘before’ and ‘after’. This implies ‘time’ Mass and momentum require the concept of spacetime as they are aligned to those dimensions. There is no such thing as perfect stillness so there has to be time.

Energy is the source of gravity, not mass.

Time (and space) emerge, as does mass and momentum as light and vacuum energy had an inner/outer product event which either destroys matter to create light (and vacuum energy) or it removes light (and vacuum energy) to make matter and antimatter pairs.

And this if all matter must be made equally with antimatter (in parallel universes) something “imaginary” must be keeping them apart. Without time (and space) there is no duality, no separation of real and imaginary, no existence at all.

Big bang and black hole singularities are just curvatures we can’t see beyond, they are not the beginning or end of anything, Technically we are in a black hole. Time is only relevant to the person measuring it.

How can we detect something which by definition is not temporally connected to us and only interacts with our universe through gravity or curvature of light and vacuum energy.

Perhaps is rotation is what gives us the “flow of time” turbulence caused by the rotation and resistance.

So for matter and spacetime we can see, there is no before the big bang, but for the energy that made it (which is timeless) it definitely was.

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The Amondawa tribe in the Amazon, for example, has no word for “time”

Much of Aboriginal philosophy resonates. Much of it doesn’t.

Same with Siddhartha Guatama’s philosophy.

This is precisely why time is such a difficult concept to pin down. As a result, memories are directed only toward the past.  Time has no direction.New Scientist Default Image

In the world of atoms, the laws of quantum mechanics are detached from time: they work either forwards or backwards, clockwise or counter-clockwise; they have no preferred direction.

In as much as humans cannot transcend time. We are travelling in time at 300 million meters per second. Light travels at 3 x 108 m/s but we’re not light, apparently. The speed of light joins space and time

So unless we can come up with a good account of how time emerges, it is not clear we can simply assume time exists.

——————-

The separation of present, past and future are not clumsy constructs.

What is more to the point is what is “exist”?

To appreciate all time at once is another matter. Any associated reality would be one that transcends time. The ‘all time at once’ is the apparent oxymoron to be unravelled.

Just like atoms, we can’t see time, but only look at them.

If time might not exist, we would still have causality, the notion that one thing causes another thing to come after it.

It is doubtful that we can ever perceive a time-less cosmos.

The differing gravitational force on the moon, and potentially other factors, change how time unfolds relative to how it is perceived on Earth. The same clock that we have on Earth would move at a different rate on the moon and the moon is only  238,855 miles (384,400 km) away.

Finally:  Its time to rap this post up.   Time is simplicity.  Its either dark matter or gravity. Time will tell.

After all, the fact is that the existence of time cannot be falsified, or its non-existence proven.

Once we understand the quantum universe better we may be able to dispense with the concept of time as an archaic and misleading concept. Virtual time will will have no boundaries dissolving as we past in time.

Exploring the possibility is what science is all about.

In all probability we will continue to use our clocks to measure out time just as we continue to use the terms sunrise and sunset even though we know that is not what in fact happens. It will all make sense in time, as our memories are set in authentic time.

Ironically an ancient Chinese philosophy encompassed the notion of the universe including both all of space and all of time.

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THE BEADY EYE ASK’S. WHY IS TIME SO CONTROVERSIAL?

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( In your own time read)

Hickory Dickory dock,
The mouse ran up the clock.
The clock struck one,
The mouse ran down,
Hickory Dickory dock.

The concept of “time” is a weird one and it is getting weirder. 

Isn’t it possible that kazillions of years ago, there wasn’t anything at all, not even time?

Of course, this is the question that defies an answer, as it requires the answer to what time is.

There is no other concept that captures the imagination more than the idea of time travel – the ability to travel to any point in the past or future.

But the future is constantly being transformed into the past with the present only lasting for a fleeting moment. Everything that you are doing right now is quickly moving into the past, which means we continue to move through time.

Time has direction, always advances. Time has an order, one thing after another. Time has duration, a quantifiable period between events. Time has a privileged present, only now is real. Time seems to be the universal background through which all events proceed, such that order can be sequenced and durations measured.

You cannot literally see or touch time, but you can see its effects.

Up to now, this appears to be true.

Then along came Quantum Mathematics.

Quantum Mathematics says our choice in the present moment affected what had already happened in the past…. Quantum effects mimic not only instantaneous action-at-a-distance but also, influences future actions on past events, even after these events have been irrevocably recorded.

Reality does not exist unless we are looking at it.

So matter is a derivative from consciousness.

Another words the present can only be defined by the process of becoming correlated with our surroundings.

It suggests that we are living in a holographic-type of universe with no time.

Time is now a prime conflict between relativity and quantum mechanics.

In quantum language, they say energy disperses and objects equilibrate, because of the way elementary particles become intertwined when they interact — a strange effect called “quantum entanglement.”

Therefore the backdrop for the steady growth of entanglement throughout the universe is, of course, time itself.

So is time irreducible, fundamental, an ultimate descriptor of bedrock reality?

Apparently not.

Or is it our subjective sense of flowing time, generated by our brains that evolved for other purposes, an illusion?

Why am I relevant or an Illusion?  Time may not be what time seems, so are giving false importance to the present moment?

Is time really a second picture, then change really. Its an illusion, because there’s nothing that’s changing; it’s all just there — past, present, future.

Quantum physicists are unmasking a more fundamental source for the arrow of time and many assert that time is an illusion.

We all have the illusions, at any given moment, that the past already happened and the future doesn’t yet exist, and that things are changing.

But all I’m ever aware of is my brain state right now.

I’m looking at you; you’re nodding your head. Without that change, we wouldn’t have any notion of time.” Change is real, but time is not.

Confused yet? 

At the deepest foundations of nature, time is not a primitive, irreducible element or concept required to construct reality but what reality depends on what time is.

Time is like space, in that every event has its own coordinates, or address, in space-time.

Time is tenseless, all points equally “real,” so that future and past are no less real than the present.

When you try to discuss time in the context of the universe, you need the simple idea that you isolate part of the universe and call it your clock, and time evolution is only about the relationship between some parts of the universe and that thing you called your clock.”

If the new line of quantum research is correct, then the story of time’s arrow begins with the quantum mechanical idea that, deep down, nature is inherently uncertain.

But how can a single piece of matter exist and express itself in multiple states, without any physical properties other than time?

There is no “true” state of the particle; the probabilities are the only reality that can be ascribed to it. (A particle is a minute fragment or quantity of matter.)

Quantum uncertainty then gives rise to entanglement, the putative source of the arrow of time this could replace human uncertainty in the old classical proofs as the true source of the arrow of time. The system as a whole is in a pure state, but the state of each individual particle is “mixed” with that of its acquaintance. The two could travel light-years apart, and the spin of each would remain correlated with that of the other.

Entanglement.

The essence of relativity is that there is no absolute time, no absolute space everything is relative. Absolutely nothing existed but we are all bound by time and space.

To be anywhere, everywhere or nowhere at all.

Because no observer has knowledge of a distant event, or the simultaneity of different events until they are unambiguously in that observer’s past something else exists.

Something that exists outside of time and space. Invisible but needs an environment to exist in, but what?

Some kind of untranscendence is essential.

Is this possible?

No observer has ever witnessed nothing if it had, there would still be absolutely nothing now.

Time by itself doesn’t do anything. Why would anything just “show up”

Therefore absolutely nothing existed. Why? Because, if absolutely nothing ever existed, there would still be absolutely nothing!

What did exist?

No gravity, no dark matter, no atoms, not a particle of anything. No air at all. No dust at all. No light at all.No elements, No molecules.

A “wave” of potentials, that does not take up a part of space, expressing itself in the form of multiple possibilities collapsing into one single path.

A void.

Because the beginning must have been able to exist without depending on anything else.

Something has no beginning. The eternal something is eternal. It has always existed independent of another. More importantly, It alone has always existed. If this something has any needs it can fulfil those needs for itself.

But how does it choose which path, out of multiple possibilities, it will take?

Eternal something must choose to change things.

What does that mean?

It means that no event can take place without the say-so of the Eternal something.

There is nothing in existence that can arbitrarily, by chance, influence it to produce something else.

Chance does not even exist. Chance itself cannot be produced by chance.

Chance is a force that must be produced by the Eternal something, or it does not exist.

It would have to be produced by the will of the Eternal something and to produce Something Else — out of nothing — requires an incredible amount of power.

So there was always a time when there was something in existence.

Time cannot exist without space, and likewise, space cannot exist without time so the universe as a whole is in a pure state.

Time emerges out of something more fundamental — something nontemporal, something altogether different.

But time is not transparent with no material substance that can be measured or observed.  It has no end or beginning, it’s eternal and therefore does not exist.

We cannot and will not ever establish the reality of the awaiting future as time’s arrow is not steered by human ignorance.

According to the quantum mathetics, a“wave” is a wave until it is “measured” or “observed.” as with a spin or for that matter anything else.

If we look at the most recent pictures from Hubble which has helped to refine estimates of the universe’s age down to roughly 13.75 billion years, we are looking at light emitted some 13 billion years in the past.

This is calculated by the constant speed of light to convert time to distance.

Time = distance / speed.  = 299,792,458 metres per second.

Is this true?

As we never observed the velocity of light in vacuum propagating at a different velocity it is deemed to be right and the mainstream scientific community carried on believing in the fallacy that the speed of light is always constant.

But according to Quantum light from any observer’s perspective cannot always be measured to be constant.

Therefore the time interval between two events is not equal for all observers.

Since we cannot travel at relativistic speeds at or close to the speed of light, we have no points of reference to compare the nature of light to.

Because the faster you travel through space, the slower you travel through time (to an outside observer this is flawed.) it is causing time dilation.

This conversion factor is not constant,

The best we can say is that the invariance of the speed of light is dependant on the nature of space-time. Its planet-bound behaviour must be different than light emitted in other parts of the known universe.

It is simply a conversion factor between space and time.

Our concept of motion only comes from gravity and friction and acceleration, not time.

If we were made up of nothing but photons of light, how would that being see the universe?

The being would see everything at a standstill, nothing would be moving not even light itself nor time.

Where do the property of ‘mass’ come from?

If we manage to discover the above we will discover where time comes from because the source light is travelling at our speed, no matter how fast you go.

Back to the beginning.

The beginning must have the ability to produce something other than itself.

The arrow of time does not seem to follow from the underlying laws of physics, which work the same going forward in time as in reverse. This is one aspect of time’s arrow that remains unsolved. The nature of time itself or why it seems different (both perceptually and in the equations of quantum mechanics) is outside the three dimensions of space.

Sometimes you have to have the idea at the right time.

Even what we perceive as solid objects all are manifestations of wave energy forms entanglement, with information becoming increasingly diffuse, but it never disappears completely. Like all energy consciousness is never gained or lost, it simply changes form.

The arrow of time is an arrow of increasing correlations between the void and consciousness energy.

It is known that outer extremities of the universe are expanding technically faster than the speed of light.

Technology may end up creating a new race…cloning, other forms of biotechnology, artificial intelligence, etc but avoid is avoid.

This is bound to be of massive interest to any future societies for nothing matters … only humans make it so.

We don’t live in the universe, we are part of it.

Every molecule we move, everyone we touch, every penny we spend impacts others.

From an everyday point of view, our minds perceive that an object should behave like a wave or a particle, quite independently of how it is measured.

It has nothing to do with the question of “Why are we here?”, as one person has suggested, it’s more a case of “Where are we going?”

Unfortunately one would have to outlive the universe to witness it.

Particles arrived at a state of equilibrium, and their states stopped changing.

If we could change the past, it would create an infinite number of paradoxes.

The only reason I feel like I have a past is that my brain contains memories lost in time.

It is only when one unifies the concepts of science and spirituality that one begins to see the real nature of the universe. It is this consciousness and through the interference pattern of energy waves that gives rise to us, all that we perceive and that which we do not.

Has anyone travelled in the future?

Astronauts can travel a few nanoseconds into the future.

Think about that for a moment, the observer caused the wave function, which generates an interference pattern.

If we are, to be honest with ourselves, we had better think twice before dismissing the possibility that the void had a visitor called time.

Imagine going back in time 3000 years and encountering people convinced that the world is really a flat disc. When you hear this you tell them that they are mistaken, that the world is really round. But you become quite embarrassed when they ask you to prove it to them and you find that you can not.

After all, their experience conforms to the idea that the earth is really flat.

Its time to stop.

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